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Chapter 10. Investigation of Fire and Fuel

agnīndhanaparīkṣā · 16 verses · 5 posts
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nāgārjuna
author of the verses
#1Nāgārjuna

If fuel is the very same as fire, then agent and action are one; if fire is other than fuel, it would exist even without fuel.

It would burn eternally, without a cause of its kindling; to start it again would be pointless, and in this way it would be without action.

Being independent of anything else, it would be without a cause of its kindling; to start it again would be pointless, and it would follow that it burns eternally.

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pūrvapakṣin
opponent: identifies what burns with the fuel (10.4) and defends the otherness of fire with the example of a woman and a man (10.6)
#2pūrvapakṣa
nāgārjuna wrote:
if fire is other than fuel, it would exist even without fuel

Here it may be said: that which burns is precisely the fuel. But then by what is the fuel kindled, when it is nothing more than just this?

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nāgārjuna
author of the verses
#3Nāgārjuna
pūrvapakṣin wrote:
that which burns is precisely the fuel

As other, it will not reach; not having reached, it will not burn; and not burning, it will not go out; and not going out, it will remain possessing its own mark.

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pūrvapakṣin
opponent: identifies what burns with the fuel (10.4) and defends the otherness of fire with the example of a woman and a man (10.6)
#4pūrvapakṣa
nāgārjuna wrote:
As other, it will not reach; not having reached, it will not burn

If fire, being other than fuel, were to reach the fuel — it would be as a woman reaches a man and a man a woman.

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nāgārjuna
author of the verses
#5Nāgārjuna
pūrvapakṣin wrote:
it would be as a woman reaches a man and a man a woman

Let fire, other than fuel, reach the fuel — that would hold if fire and fuel excluded one another.

If fire depends on fuel and fuel depends on fire — which of the two came about first, in relation to which there is fire or fuel?

If fire depends on fuel, that would be the establishing of a fire already established; and this being so, fuel too would exist without fire.

If an existent that is established in dependence on something is established in dependence on the very thing that itself has yet to be established — then what is established in dependence on what?

An existent that is established in dependence on something — how, being not yet established, can it depend? And if it depends when it is already established, then dependence makes no sense for it.

Fire is neither such as to depend on fuel nor such as not to depend on it; fuel is neither such as to depend on fire nor such as not to depend on it.

Fire does not come from somewhere else, and fire is not found in fuel; as for fuel, the rest has been said by means of “what is being traversed”, “the traversed” and “the untraversed”.

Fuel is not fire, and fire is not anywhere else, apart from fuel; fire does not possess fuel, fuel is not in fire, and fire is not in the fuels.

Through fire and fuel the whole sequence of the “self” and what it appropriates has been explained, without remainder, together with pot, cloth and the rest.

Those who declare the own nature of the “self” and of existents, each of them separately — I do not consider them knowers of the meaning of the teaching.

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Every verse here is genuine and stands in its own order — the forum is only a way of breaking the chapter up. Not a single line in these posts was added.

Where a second voice appears, it is the pūrvapakṣa: the opponent’s position, stated by Nāgārjuna in his own words so that he can take it apart.